Voice of the People Radio Panel: Drs. Myron Paine, Ida Jane Gallagher and Crystal Trickle- Many people came to America from many places. Thousands were Lenape, who were pure.

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  • 10/23/2011 12:01 AM SubgeniusD wrote:
    Pure what?

    And North American Indians numbered in the tens of millions so anyone even using the quantity "thousands" raises my suspicion about their supposed knowledge in this area.
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    1. 10/30/2011 7:37 AM Myron Paine wrote:
      The 14th century scientist Nicolas of Lynne, wrote that "nearly 4,000 [Greenlanders] walked into [Hudson Strait} and never returned." The report was sent to the King of England and has never been found.
      Apparently private correspondence enabled Macerator, the map maker, to put the phrase on the edge of many of his maps.
      Perhaps there were a group of "men on the fringe" in northern Europe, who were trying to counter the Eurocentric paradigm.
      The Americans did number in the tens of millions. A small group of 4,000 Christians would have quickly been wiped out except that their Albin cousins, the Christinaux (Cree) and Ojibwa (Picts) were also Christians. The Lenape migrated around the fringe of the Christian area wuth the Christians on their right and the wild people on left.
      The Goths migrated in a similar manner through Europe about 2000 years ago with Rome on the right and the wild people on the left, until Rome did not pay and the Goths sacked Rome.
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  • 10/31/2011 5:33 PM Myron Paine wrote:
    Re: Pure what?

    Many Christians believe they are “baptized to be pure.” The 1360 Stanza Maker, who was in James Bay, Canada. used that phrase to describe the fat man in a pictograph. The fat man is sitting on a Norse seaman’s captain’s chair, which is over the mound; Greenland. The fat man “owns the land.” He was “Baptized to be pure.”

    The pictograph and stanza appears to tell us that in 1340 the Bishop ruled Greenland.

    Yes, there were tens of millions of people in America.
    But the 14th century authorities wrote that only thousands started the migration from Greenland to America.

    In 1360 Nicolas of Lynne wrote, “…nearly four thousand [Greenlanders] walked into [Hudson Strait] and never returned.” Bishop Oddson of Iceland agreed with him by writing that the people of Greenland gave up their faith and joined their friends in America. There were houses for only 5,000 in Greenland before they walked away.

    In America, the Greenlanders were clannish. After they migrated over the ice of Davis Strait, they may have retained the Greenlander core of thousands. They migrated on the fringe of civilization with the Christinaux and Ojibwas on the left and the wild people of America on the right.

    After making a hurried migration to reach warmer climates, the Lenape appear to have slowed to an average movement of 20 miles a year. The migration appeared to move in a direction toward warmer climates while waiting an opportunity to return to the Atlantic shores.
    Their migration path was affected by the millions of people, who lived on the land to the east.

    The Maalan Aarum 4.49 ff indicates that a catastrophic disaster happened to the people in the Ohio River valley. This disaster apparently gave the Lenape a chance to migrate up the Ohio River. As they migrated neighboring tribes joined them apparently for protection.

    By the time the Lenape reached the Atlantic Coast they had left behind about twenty five (25) tribes [including Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Iowa, Missouri, Illini, Shawnee and Mohican.] All of the tribes retain elements of Christ’s ethics to this day.

    Upon reading the Atlantic, the Lenape spread down Coast. The Lenape/Shawnee tribe helped to stop an aggressor in the south, probably De Soto. The devastation of the Spanish disease is reported in Maalan Aarum 5.46. The epidemic spread throughout North America east of the Mississippi; from the Mississippi to the Atlantic coast, from the Gulf of Mexico to beyond the Great Lakes. An estimated19 out of every 20 (95%) Lenape died of disease.

    If there had been tens of millions Americans before De Soto, there were only five hundreds of thousands left. The Lenape who remained to face the English were still pure. The seven bands of Lenape existing today are still pure. They have passed through the refiner’s fire.
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  • 11/1/2011 3:36 PM Myron Paine wrote:
    Re: Pure what?

    Many Christians believe they are “baptized to be pure.” The 1360 Stanza Maker, who was in James Bay, Canada. used that phrase to describe the fat man in pictograph 3.7. The fat man is sitting on a Norse seaman’s captain’s chair, which is over the mound; Greenland. The fat man “owns the land.” He is “Baptized to be pure.”

    The pictograph and stanza appears to tell us that in 1340 the Bishop ruled Greenland.

    Yes, there were tens of millions of people in America, many millions were Norse who went everywhere, Kennebec MA, and Kennewick, WA have the same Norse adjective (“Kyna” = “wide”). “Bec” = “River.” “Wick” = “Valley.”)

    The Greenlanders were clannish. They had lived together in isolation for 350 years. After the 4,000 Greenlanders made the migration over the ice to Davis Strait, intermarried with the Christinaux (Christians, a.k.a. Cree), but they may have retained the Greenlander core of thousands as they migrated with the Christinaux on the left and the wild people of America on the right.

    After the frantic migration to reach warmer climates and better protein sources, the migration rate appears to have slowed to an average 20 miles a year. The Greenland core of thousands of people on each side or a river, which provided water and wood, appeared to move forward with a group desire to return to the Atlantic shores. But their migration path was affected by the millions of people, many of them Christians like themselves, who lived on the more fertile land to the east.

    Then, the Maalan Aarum indicates that a disaster happened to the people in the Ohio River valley. This disaster apparently encouraged the Lenape to migrate up the Ohio River. As they migrated neighboring tribes joined them, mostly without fighting.

    By the time the Greenlander core of the Lenape reached the Atlantic Coast they had left behind about twenty five (25) tribes [a few you may recognized are Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Iowa, Missouri, Illini, Shawnee and Mohican.] Mant of the tribes retain elements of Christ’s ethics to this day.

    Then the Lenape/shawnee spread down the Atlantic Coast. The Shawnee tribe helped to stop De Soto, but the cost was the devastating disease carried by the Spaniards. The epidemic spread throughout the land from the Mississippi to the Atlantic coasts, from the Gulf of Mexico to beyond the Great Lakes. An estimated19 out of every 20 Lenape died of disease.

    If there had been 20 millions Americans in the reagion before De Soto, there were only about 1 million left. The English Christians wrote in their journals that God was in their favor because he caused the “natives” to die so the [English] “Christians” could take over the land.

    Even with the help of Spanish germs, the English “Christians” fought a 300 year war, from Roanoke, 1585 to Wounded Knee 1890, with superior guns and steel to “subdue” the Lenape Christians and other Americans.
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  • 11/2/2011 5:24 AM SubgeniusD wrote:
    Interesting, well presented responses.

    I mostly inhabit Tech forums/message boards where participants tend toward brusque, pointed statements not meant to be insulting, just plain and right to the point. So that's where my initial post was coming from.

    Almost all of my Native American contacts, personal experience and research has been with the Western Tribes and practically none with the Eastern. So this is all new and very interesting. Thank you.
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    1. 11/6/2011 6:48 PM Myron Paine wrote:
      Dear SubgeniusD

      You are Welcome.

      Earl Shorris wrote in 1971,

      “The suppression of the true history of America is one of the more exquisite works of human society: the suppressed information is easily available to every citizen, yet few are even aware of its existence.”

      You have become one of the few. I

      have been collecting the "easily available" "suppressed information" for a decade.

      What would you like to know about the 150 years that have been suppressed before Northeast America history began?

      Maybe the Arabic 1362 date punched into stone in Minnesota?

      I will try to give brief guidance.
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  • 2/6/2012 2:09 AM PattyR wrote:
    I´d lke to know more about the Shawnee. Also we have a friend at Circleville, Ohio, Leonard `Butch` Sowers who has relatives by the name of Paine. He says his people are out of Kentucky and of Shawnee/Cherokee descent. Thanks Myron.
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